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HORMONE F.A.Q’s!
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March 25, 2021 at 3:16 pm #29509
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April 8, 2021 at 2:41 pm #29510I’d love to have a safe bio identical oral replacement protocol for post menopausal women! I’m not a fan of pellet therapy and a lot of patients really don’t like messy vaginal creams with a questionable absorption rate.
April 10, 2021 at 6:27 pm #29511I use oral Estradiol and Progesterone with much success. Very safe and the most beneficial form for long term health, cardiovascular disease protection and much more!
Eric
April 14, 2021 at 6:01 am #29512Do you add testosterone? Oral testosterone can destroy the liver. So that brings you back to either pellet therapy, shots, or creams. I hope you’re not just giving estradiol and progesterone. ALL mamals need testosterone, and yes, women are mammals!
April 16, 2021 at 5:23 am #29513Of course I use testosterone;) Cream or SQ injection are best although I do pellets too
I highly recommend training and certification by Worldlink Medical- it’s the best HRT training out there.
Eric
April 16, 2021 at 9:48 am #29514Eric- I have always been taught the oral estrogen is to be avoided due to conversion to estrone and first pass effects. Do you share these concerns?
Thanks!
Liz
April 20, 2021 at 12:06 pm #29515any thoughts? @byurthgmail-com
April 20, 2021 at 4:17 pm #29516I would recommend pellet therapy for both Estradiol and Testosterone. Transdermal creams are transported through the lymphatic system, so not much can cross the BBB. So if your focus is brain enhancement, creams are out. Also, in anyone using creams, you will notice that their serum levels are much lower. Again, if not in the blood, how can it cross the BBB? On the other hand, testosterone shots are not physiologic. You get a large dose for a few days, then a severe drop. Pellets mimic the testicles, ovaries, and adrenals, where testosterone (and estradiol in females) is released minute-by-minute, 24 hours per day, for 3-4 months, at a steady state. It is also physiological in that more is released with increased cardiac output, so when you are doing HIIT, and more blood flow goes past those pellets, and capillaries are open, you get more of your hormones when you need them most. On the other hand, never give progesterone via creams. The side effect is sedation, so best taken PO or SL at HS. Also, progesterone creams have not been shown to reduce the risk of estrogen-related cancers. I hope this helps!
April 20, 2021 at 6:49 pm #29517It is SO good to have these discussions as there are so many opinions. We are fortunate to have Erika Shwartz, MD @drerikaeshealth-com as part of our group and she is one of the world’s experts on hormone therapies so would love her input. Oral estrogen therapy has been associated with an increased risk of first episode venous thromboembolism, deep vein thrombosis, and possibly stroke. Research has found no association between transdermal estradiol and these adverse effects. Oral estrogen use has been shown to increase total cholesterol. I prefer transdermal creams or using inexpensive and readily available patches. Testosterone is essential for women and men in my humble opinion either TD or sq injection. Pellets remain a hot topic -personally, I like to be able to easily modify and adjust dosing so I am not a fan. I have seen so many people come in dosed inappropriately and adjustment not easy!
@drerikaeshealth-com please weigh in with your vast experience!!
EY
Thanks
April 20, 2021 at 8:10 pm #29518BTW @mike..not sure how to make me not Brian Graham?? Can’t change it in the edit profile. I’m ok with it but Brian may have issues 🙂
April 21, 2021 at 7:13 am #29519Hi Dr. @byurthgmail-com, sorry about that. Your display name is now fixed. 🙂
Thank you!
April 21, 2021 at 2:52 pm #29520So wonderful to see the passion and watch hormone therapies take their rightful place in prevention and general medical practice. Thank you Dr. Yurth for the kind words. Indeed I have been working with bioidentical hormones in clinical practice since 1990s and have found what works and what doesn’t in real patients. Been honored to write articles in conventional medical journals and books for the public since 2002 and I’m still learning every day from my patients and peers about the marvels of hormones. Only now, I also know how to work with peptides and make it a perfect world for my patients in search of optimal health and wellness.
I do not prescribe oral estradiol or testosterone because as many of you have mentioned, they are toxic to the liver and their metabolites are even more toxic. Patients may feel good for a while but in the long run the data and the clinical findings don’t look great, patients gain weight, become irritable and develop gut issues if they don’t get alterations in bleeding profile.
Transdermal estradiol, testosterone and even progesterone in young patients work well if compounded with small molecules ( liposomes or smaller) , not oils or other substances that make them unable to enter the circulation and that is why you see low blood levels and poor results. Please note I only use one hormone per preparation. Using combinations confuses the results and makes it impossible to know who did what to whom and how to adjust dosing.
Patches ( Vivelle-dot, etc), Estrogel and Divigel ( FDA approved ) are good options albeit expensive but their pharmacokinetics are excellent and thus bioavailability is great. I use them routinely in my practice .
Testosterone is GREAT!!! It is equally as important in women as in men and sadly we have no FDA approved preparation or awareness of its impact on the wellbeing of women. I use testosterone in TD creams or injections. We did try pellets but found the data and the clinical results confusing and not physiologic in any way as well as mentioned by Dr. Yurth, unable to change the dosage so, easier to do TD or injectable and collect data. Some patients come into office and get IM shots some take SQ and invariably they are happy with results.
Progesterone as we all know the data suggest absorption is best in IM administration yet it’s painful so we don’t use it. We use oral or intravaginal since the results speak for themselves.
Before I end this diatribe; We don’t treat patients with only gonadal hormones. Each patient receives a 360 degree approach. Thyroid, adrenal must be supported at same time as diet, exercise, lifestyle, stress management, sleep, supplements and PEPTIDES!!!!!
April 23, 2021 at 9:03 am #29521Great discussion and way too much to type. I suggest listening to Dr. Neal Rouzier discuss the oral v. topical Estradiol debate. Oral estradiol is not associated with any of the issues mentioned above. All adverse effects were from Premarin, not bioidentical E2. Oral has better beneficial effects on cardiovascular health, cancer and AD prevention bone health and much more.
I highly recommend attending Dr. R’s Worldlink conferences – he will blow you away with the literature on all of this!
I use testosterone all the time with women and men and also prefer injections or creams as I can adjust doses on the fly and avoid the long term ups and downs of pellets (I use pellets too but prefer the other forms); plus it is more physiologic.
Progesterone is best used orally before bed but SL forms are also great during the day
Eric
April 23, 2021 at 9:15 am #29522Sorry hit submit too soon;)
I too also use topical forms of Estradiol like Ericka; Patches, creams etc.,- I always offer all choices to the patients. They all work great!
Eric
April 24, 2021 at 10:07 am #29523There is extensive literature about the safety of oral Estradiol. I use oral Estradiol as well as Progesterone. I have many women coming to me disappointed with pellets because they can not titrate the dosing to personalize to their particular needs. I use Testosterone in men and women in a cream or injections with great results. I also highly recommend Dr. Rouzier’s Worldlink conferences for great literature review concerning this. I have also had great success with adding peptides to fully get the effect of hormone replacement as stated above.
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