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HRT in a 75 year old female

Bruce Lowell November 30, 2022 at 6:21 am

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  • #32129
    Bruce Lowell
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    A 75 year old woman with no hx of cancer (Grail negative ) and CA work up mammogram negative want to start HRT- is it to late to start a trial

    #32130
    Kristelle Reyes
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    Hello @byurthgmail-com, @cpaigepaigemd-com, and @dr-siobhannewmangmail-com, we would love to have your insights here. Thank you! 🙂

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    Kristi Fury
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    #32132
    Mary Ann Butler
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    No! It is not too late. Just be sure to start low and go slow to avoid untoward effects as she has been deficient for a while. Only use oral estradiol if you want the best benefit for her. Oral estradiol will not cause dislodging of any plaque that may have been building in the cardiovascular system. It was Premarin that caused blood clots and that was seen in women over the age of 60 and only in the first year of use. Why? because Premarin produces an enzyme when metabolized that can dislodge clots. Fatty acid esters decrease the formation of hard plaque only seen in oral estradiol. However, start her at 1.0 mg, test in 1 month, and titrate by 0.25mg monthly until symptoms improve and/or a blood serum level between 75-100 pg/ml. However, if she has a history of blood clots or congenital thrombophilia you may want to use transdermal. Not because oral E2 causes clots, but because she will eventually have another and you will get blamed. There are actually very sound studies that show oral estradiol reduces intima-media thickness (IMT). Regardless if she has a uterus or not, she should also be put on oral micronized progesterone (not to be confused with progestin or medroxyprogesterone – not the same thing). If she has a uterus it is a must to give oral progesterone as transdermal will not get levels high enough to be protective. If you want breast protection (which you do) then look for serum levels of 3.5 or greater (Lab Corp) or 10 ng/ml. Then consider a low dose testosterone cream 2% start with 5 mg applied to the inner thigh daily. She will feel great!

    Bernini Gp, Sgro M, Moretti A, et al. Endogenous androgens and carotid intimal-medial thickness in women. J Clin Endocrinol Metab.1999 Jun;84(6):2008-2112.

    #32133
    William Seeds, MD
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    also, consider cjc/ipamorelin or just ipamorelin with light resistance training =)

    #32134
    Lisa Waterman
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    I would recommend using a dermal estradiol – femring 0.5 mg is a nice place to start if she has the Dexter to place it in the vagina, she gets all the systemic benefits plus the general urinary. As well there’s no liver issues going on because it’s already active before first past metabolism. I agree I would use micronize progesterone 100 to 200 mg at HS to help enhance the impact with out worrying about the breast tissue. You could even use a little bit of testosterone with her for more vitality. Reduce her brain fog 25 mg. IM o 3 to 4 weeks. Always start with a heart scan and see what a calcium burden is. Make sure she’s doing some intermittent fasting to make sure she’s got some good insulin sensitivity which is always very important for these women as they’re getting older. Not a fan of oral estrogen and see if it’s estradiol cause they still do not absorb very well compared to the dermal.

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    Caroline Snelwar
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    @Lisa Waterman,

    I do a lot of transdermal testosterone and wondered about IM dosing for women.

    Is the standard 10mg IM monthly? Or 25mg?

    I wonder about the peak and trough rather than a steady rate.. not a fan of pellets though:-)

    Thank you for you input.

    Caroline

     

    #32136
    tim blend
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    I do not beleive you get the systemic effects or benefits from femring that you would get from oral estradiol; ie. cardioprotetion, bone density and cognitive benefits.

    #32137
    Denise Burroughs
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    Quote from Caroline Snelwar on July 9, 2023, 4:43 pm

    @Lisa Waterman,

    I do a lot of transdermal testosterone and wondered about IM dosing for women.

    Is the standard 10mg IM monthly? Or 25mg?

    I wonder about the peak and trough rather than a steady rate.. not a fan of pellets though:-)

    Thank you for you input.

    Caroline

     

    Hey Caroline!

    I have women on Testosterone Cypionate with amazing results.  We do weekly SQ injections due to the half life of the medication (7 days).  Based off their SHBG level, I start at 10mg or 15mg SQ weekly.  Target Total Test level is around 100 but Free Test level will give you a more accurate idea of what’s unbound and bioavailable to do what it’s supposed to.  Of course we go for symptom management but generally, a goal of Free Test is around 10-15.  Some women feel better with slightly higher Test levels and as long as they aren’t experiencing untoward SEs, they tolerate the medication very well!

    #32138
    Caroline Snelwar
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    Thank you so much for the information, I do like the use of SQ use and I appreciate the help!

    #32139
    Bruce Lowell
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    thank you

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