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Cynthia Keller.
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September 5, 2020 at 2:32 pm #29048
My practice is about to use up the last of our LL-37. We have found it invaluable in treating our patients with Lyme, and on so many others during the CoVid pandemic.
Any chance that anyone has any sources, ideas or possible leads about how to get LL-37 in the future??
Thanks guys!-Cynthia
September 8, 2020 at 11:23 am #29049Hi Cynthia,
I have several bottles I bought from TM that have been in the freezer if you would like them. let me know
Elizabeth
September 8, 2020 at 12:10 pm #29050Elizabeth-
I absolutely would love these.
Where are you located?
Thank you for the offer.
Warmly,
Cynthia
September 9, 2020 at 10:49 am #29051Hi
I am in Los Angeles
Where are you?
Elizabeth
September 9, 2020 at 6:09 pm #29052Wells Pharmacy also has LL-37.
September 12, 2020 at 10:16 am #29053Elizabeth,
How long can you effectively store LL-37 in the freezer?
Flip
September 12, 2020 at 6:49 pm #29054Hi Flip!
Glad to see you here! I will be joining the next MM2.
This is what Dr. Seeds had told me before about this topic. It is not specific to LL-37 but he was speaking in general was my take away.
“If you get your peptides that come lyophilized in a vial you can store them in freezer 6 months plus . If you reconstitute or they come in liquid vial you can also freeze up to 6 months. Probably more for both but have not seen those stability studies yet.
if you place in syringe you can freeze also. For all of these recommend only a 1 time Freeze only if you choose to freeze”-Dr Seeds from March 21, 2020September 30, 2020 at 10:49 pm #29055Westchester Pharmacy in New York has LL-37 as well.
January 29, 2021 at 12:19 pm #29056I have a doctor colleague recently found out he has lyme. He is treating himself with Doxycycline but asked me what else he could do.
How are you using the LL-37? How are you dosing it? And, how long is the recommended therapy?
If you have supporting studies I would so appreciate the link.
Any other recommendation? I was thinking TA1 and BPC-157 for immune modulation.
Thank you for your input.
- Mary Ann
July 13, 2021 at 10:53 am #29057Mary Ann-
sorry I am so late to respond to you here about this. Clearly primary care over the last year plus has keep us busier than even usual!
In short, I think that your friend should find a lyme literate MD (if he hasn’t already). I recommend (especially for a busy physician who doesn’t have time to mess around with trial and error) to use a combination of multiple complementing antibiotics. These combinations would need to include both intracellular and extra-cellular coverage, as well as coverage for all 3 forms of lyme (l-form, spirochete, and cyst) at the same time. The best way to handle this, is working with someone who has seen/treated/put into remission many patients with Lyme already.
One pearl I will state here (since I don’t see many use it, but it works great for my patients), is to use IM bicillin three times weekly IF neuro-lyme is the major complaint. This is a painful option, but is great at getting into the CSF and has IV equivalent effectiveness there for most Lyme sufferers …. And, for me, has kept the patients I have treated from needing to consider port placement.
(again this should be done only under the guidance of an experienced MD as there can be issues like brain swelling with die off around day 3, etc).Having said all of the above…. LL-37 is a wonderful adjunct for my patients with Lyme who have already been in remission, where the Lyme is trying to gain hold again, or as a support for the body’s own fight against these pesky and tricky pathogens with initial antibiotic treatments. I use 0.1ml daily subcutaneously, and I use it as long as needed. (I know if still needed by trialing off every month or so…. And seeing what happens.) I have used it for as long as a year in those who needed it, with excellent effect… most of the time limiting the need for any antibiotics to be restarted in these patients who had been in remission prior.
(I would add here, that of course ideally I wouldn’t have to use LL-37 for such a prolonged course. But if my options are; long term use WITH continued remission or short term use with regular episodes of non-functioning and low quality of life due to symptoms…. The choice of the less of these two evils is easy for me!)
Of course there are lots of natural treatment options (Lyme cocktail by biopure, or the Byron White remedies, to name two)….. however, as much as I like using non- Rx options whenever possible…. I have just not found these effective as initial treatment options for the severity of illness in the patients who find me.
And, as I have mentioned in my other posts on Lyme, I think it bears mentioning again…. That often Lyme treatment most importantly consists of removing barriers in that person that do not allow their immune system to be stronger than the Lyme. I am speaking here about mold toxins(CIRS), parasites, etc. This is not a little thing/point (this need to remove these hindering issues right away), as I have seen this make or break many patients ability to be successfully treated with even the of best protocols.
I hope that this helps.
warmly,
Cynthia
July 13, 2021 at 11:40 am #29058And sorry-
I should have added that I have great response to Melanotan II as well in these patients.
-Cyn
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