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Methylene Blue strategy question
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Anthony Phan.
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June 22, 2025 at 6:39 am #36918
I’ve been reflecting on the dual nature of methylene blue on one hand, its inhibitory effects on nitric oxide synthase are certainly a concern, especially for anyone focused on vascular or cognitive health. But on the other, its benefits for mitochondrial function and redox support are hard to ignore, particularly in challenging scenarios like mitochondrial disorders or long COVID. It’s clearly not something to use daily without thought, but I wonder if a more nuanced, pulsed approach could strike the right balance. Could something like the following be a sensible framework? Organic nitrates have a relatively short half-life anywhere from 1 to 6 hours depending on the compound. Nitroglycerin tends to clear in 1 to 3 hours, while isosorbide dinitrate lasts a bit longer, around 5 to 6 hours. Neo40, which delivers nitric oxide through the nitrate–nitrite–NO pathway, has a shorter window of activity as well, typically around 1 to 2 hours. Methylene blue is more variable, with a half-life ranging anywhere from 5 to 24 hours depending on dose and individual metabolism. The issue is that methylene blue inhibits nitric oxide synthase especially iNOS and eNOS effectively reducing the body’s own capacity to generate nitric oxide through those enzymatic routes. In contrast, Neo40 and dietary nitrates bypass the need for NOS altogether, relying instead on oral bacteria and systemic enzymatic reductions to generate nitric oxide. So, if methylene blue and Neo40 are taken too close together, methylene blue might dampen the body’s ability to respond to the nitric oxide that Neo40 is trying to deliver, particularly in tissues where NO signaling is most sensitive like the vasculature and brain. To avoid this interference and still capture the mitochondrial benefits of methylene blue, it might make sense to dose it first thing in the morning, in a fasted state. A modest amount maybe 0.5 to 1 mg per kg of body weight can support mitochondrial electron transport, improve redox tone, and help with mental clarity. Pairing it with red or near-infrared light may further support endothelial nitric oxide signaling by releasing nitric oxide that’s bound within mitochondrial complexes. Then, allowing a window of six to eight hours before introducing nitrate-based strategies whether that’s Neo40, beet juice, arugula, or celery might help re-enable nitric oxide responsiveness once the initial inhibitory effect of methylene blue has begun to wear off. That might also be the ideal time to train, take a sauna, or engage in any activity where enhanced vasodilation and nitric oxide-driven signaling would be beneficial. In the evening, incorporating taurine and magnesium could help support endothelial repair and potentially assist in nitric oxide rebound. On days when methylene blue isn’t used, it might be a good opportunity to lean more heavily into nitrate-rich foods or Neo40 to support nitric oxide levels more directly.It also seems reasonable to pulse methylene blue perhaps every other day to avoid chronically suppressing NOS activity. Citrulline (3 to 6 grams) or taurine later in the day may further aid in nitric oxide production. And red or near-infrared light could be used either after methylene blue or with nitrate therapy to liberate nitric oxide and support vascular function. Does this sequence seem like a balanced way to access the benefits of methylene blue while preserving the integrity of nitric oxide signaling? I’m curious to hear your thoughts or refinements.
June 22, 2025 at 2:11 pm #36919Anthony,
A lot of what you describe is what I have gathered and plan to experiment on myself too.
On my busiest work days (so usually 4-5 days per week), I plan to trial 20-40mg of methylene blue (only 0.2 to 0.4 mg/kg, I’m ~100kg) fasted in the AM with 10 minutes of Red light/NIR after. I usually exercise (resistance train) in the afternoon and don’t do caffeine after 12pm, so I do beet root extract before a workout. I split my magnesium dose AM/PM to reduce the GI effects. But mechanistically, especially when considering circadian aspects, what you describes makes sense.
Ryan
June 22, 2025 at 2:16 pm #36920Thanks, Ryan that sounds like a thoughtful and well-structured plan. I am always trying tomoearn more. I think your approach using methylene blue at a modest dose, timed in the morning with red/NIR light is spot on, especially if you’re aligning it with peak mitochondrial activity and cognitive demand. Given the NOS inhibition, spacing it several hours before beetroot extract is smart so you avoid competing pathways. Splitting magnesium is a good move too avoiding GI issues while still supporting redox, relaxation, and downstream ATPase function. If you notice anything interesting in terms of mood, endurance, or mental clarity, I’d love to compare notes. It’s always great when we can fine-tune this stuff based on real-world data and shared insights.
June 22, 2025 at 2:57 pm #36921Hi Anthony,
Yes, this is a beautifully balanced framework for accessing the pro-mitochondrial benefits of methylene blue without suppressing NO biology in the long term. You’ve essentially created a circadian-aligned redox cycle that respects both electron flow and NO signaling timing.
I also started MB on myself and my patients who are Jab-injured, including patients with Turbo-Cancer from the jab, trying to reverse the Warburg effect. I have experienced all the positive benefits, and so do my patients.
This is my schedule and that of my patients for MB. I plan to test Plasma Nitrite + Nitrate (NOx panel) from labs like LabCorp on a nitrate-rich, methylene blue–free day.
Time
Action
Rationale
6:00 AM
MB 0.5–1 mg/kg (empty stomach)
Redox support, Complex IV activation
7:00 AM
NIR/red light (30+ min)
Release mitochondrial NO, support eNOS function
12:00–2:00 PM
Nitrate intake (beet juice, arugula, and a bunch of other vegetables for green juice that is home-made)
Restore NO signaling without NOS dependency
4:00 PM
L-Citrulline 3g
Rebuild NO substrates (arginine pool)
7:00 PM
Taurine + magnesium glycinate
Endothelial repair, parasympathetic tone
I don’t alternate
MB rests on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. On these three days, I am in the Near-infrared sauna 3-4 times over the
Prevent NOS suppression, diversify redox tone
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