Sourcing Peptides from Online Distributors

[Bruce Sloane]

Anyone using Peptide Science as a source. It’s not in SSRP recommended sources.

 

 

[William Seeds, MD]

Hello @bbsloanecomcast-net

There are definitely sources not listed in the Trusted Sources section that are trustworthy businesses (some of our fellows use Southlake and Wells).

However, Peptide Sciences, and really any online distributor, does not go through the same type of testing that compounding pharmacies like cre8rx, pure, farmakeio, wells, southlake do.

In fact, many of the emails we get from people who have had really bad reactions have two commonalities…1. they’ve been to an untrained practitioner 2. have purchased peptides online

I can’t speak about Peptide Sciences from personal experience, but whenever I speak with physicians, I let them know that they’re putting their reputation on the line by purchasing thru online companies. They could provide their patient the perfect protocol on how to treat an ailment, but if the source is bad (and is not even fit for animal testing) the patient will blame the practitioner for “the wrong protocol” or worse, questioning why they are getting/giving it from an unsafe source.

It’s definitely more expensive to go through a compounding pharmacy, but it’s safe/regulated/thoroughly tested so you get what you pay for.

Hope that helps!

[Bruce Sloane]

Thank you!

 

[Robin Rose]

Bruce did you see the info from Dr Gupta ? He told us he actually spoke with the owner and was impressed with their technology. I will tag you. Concern is for using in office- some docs aren’t comfortable with this source for patients.

[John Lavery]

Mr Kim

You mention that online distributors do not go through the same testing as compounding pharmacies. But the problems is that I have been

told by a local compounder that the  FDA limits compounding pharmacies  to Sermorelin or PT 141.   This raises the question exactly what

are we getting from a compounding pharmacy if they can’t compound more than two peptides? My suspicion is that some of these compounding

pharmacies are getting their peptides from online distributors and applying the ‘stamp of approval’ with a markup.. That is unless you can tell me otherwise.

Thank you

John Lavery MD

Allen , Texas

BTW your email is not working

 

[William Seeds, MD]

hello @dr-laveryallenarthritis-com

I always take what a single pharmacy says with a grain of salt. What I’ve come to learn, unfortunately, is that there are pharmacies who have restrictions placed upon them by the FDA then turn around and say that this applies to all other pharmacies. A recent narrative: the FDA is banning injectable peptides. Completely false.

In the example of your local compounding pharmacy, I can say with certainty that is not the case for every compounding pharmacy. But I will fact check that with a compounding pharmacy (either cre8/pure/farmakeio).

As for your suspicion, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are MANY compounding pharmacies that do illegal compounds like you say.

But that’s also why we value the pharmacies listed in our Trusted Partners section. They are used by our Faculty, Dr. Seeds, and Fellows and if there ever were an issue with quality, they would be the first to know and those pharmacies would be removed as a trusted partner and banned.

On a side note, the SSRP does not receive any commission from any partner listed nor do they pay a fee to be there. We simply trust those brands and the efficacy of their products. Just wanted to make that clear so you know there isn’t any vested interest since it sounds like I’m the hype man for them =)

my email: mike@ssrpinstitute.org/mike@neomarkgroup.com/info@ssrpinstitute.org feel free to email anytime!

 

[Carl Paige, MD]

I have not used and do not plan to use peptide sciences and have not had any direct contact with them or any online vendor.  Here is a link from peptide sciences regarding their “terms and conditions”.

https://www.peptidesciences.com/terms

Read for yourself but below is a some of the page content.  I am not trusting patients health/outcomes/my license/regulatory oversight risk etc. by recommending or managing use of products from these types of companies.   They may have great equipment, policies, procedures and produce a great product that is completely equivalent to a traditionally compounded product,  but would really have no leg to stand on from a risk management or compliance standpoint using or recommending these products.  They are basically washing their hands of any liability regarding use outside of their listed guidelines.  If they have disclaimed any liability very clearly then it would likely fall to the provider involved in the recommendations or management of the use of said products.

“PeptideSciences.com products are intended for laboratory IN-VITRO RESEARCH PURPOSES ONLY– NOT FOR HUMAN or ANIMAL USE or CONSUMPTION of any kind and are not to be used for any other purposes, including but not limited to food and/or drugs, medical devices, vitro diagnostic purpose, or for commercial purposes. The purchaser agrees that the products have not been sterilized or tested by PeptideSciences.com for safety and efficacy in food, drug, medical device, cosmetic, commercial or any other use. The purchaser expressly represents and warrants to PeptideSciences.com that the purchaser will properly test, use, manufacture and market any products purchased from PeptideSciences.com and/or materials produced with products purchased from PeptideSciences.com in accordance with the practices of a reliable person who is experienced in the field and in strict compliance with all applicable laws and regulations, now and hereinafter enacted. The purchaser further warrants that any material produced with any product shall not be adulterated or misbranded within the meaning of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and shall not be materials which may not, under Sections 404, 505, or 512 of the Act, be introduced into interstate commerce.

The purchaser realizes and agrees that, since PeptideSciences.com products are, unless otherwise stated, intended solely for in-vitro research purposes, they may not be on the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) inventory listing. The purchaser assumes responsibility to assure that the products purchased from PeptideSciences.com are approved for use under TSCA, if applicable.

Purchaser has the responsibility to verify the hazards and to conduct any further research necessary to learn the hazards involved in using products purchased from http://www.peptidesciences.com.  No products purchased from http://www.peptidesciences.com shall, unless otherwise stated, be considered to be foods, drugs, medical devices or cosmetics. ALL products and services offered are for RESEARCH purposes ONLY. Under NO circumstances shall/should ANY of these materials be used for therapeutic or diagnostic purposes. Peptidesciences.com is NOT liable for ANY damages that may be caused by negligence, abuse, or ANY other unforeseen matter.”

 

Carl

[Claude Fortin]

Agree with above comments.

Where peptidesciences.com were fairly transparent on the “not for human use”,  peptides.org is not. It actually is a well organized website that is fairly informative and I am sure will lure “researchers”/clients in.  With all the concerns of the FDA, I find it amazing that these online portals are not investigated. There are clearly not enough safeguards in place for patients, the online disclosures are unforgiving, and it places legitimate healthcare providers at risk even if we don’t use them which we of course shouldn’t.

Outside of what’s already been discussed on this thread, if there are any current updated  additional comments on how to address this issue with patients, I would appreciate it.

 

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